This is the second of two interviews with Stan Gryskiewicz, a psychologist who worked for the Center for Creative Leadership in Greensboro, North Carolina. In this interview, Gryskiewicz picks up where the first left off after a brief discussion of the Center's launching of the Leadership Development Program in London, where he was also finishing his Ph.D. When Gryskiewicz returned to Greensboro, the managerial upheaval was still under way. Gryskiewicz discusses these changes in detail, focusing specifically on his perception of various leaders, including David DeVries, Mike Lombardo, Morgan McCall, David Campbell, and Bob Dorn. In addition to explaining how these leaders interacted with one another and how their positions evolved over time, he also describes how the Center was working to develop new curriculum for its creativity division, which he spearheaded, and a more centralized marketing department. In 1985, the presidency of the Center shifted to Walt Ulmer. Gryskiewicz describes both the transition of leadership, noting how Ulmer's leadership style differed from earlier leaders and on how the Center experienced rapid growth into the 1990s. Gryskiewicz also offers his thoughts on the Center's expansion into the global market, the new programs and workshops it offered in creative leadership development, and its commitment to diversifying its managerial staff to include more women and minorities.