Punk is a moving target: Punk is an unwieldy object of study--because of fictions that circulate as truth, absences in archives and the questionable subject of recovery, and the passage of "minor" details into fields of knowledge. In a conversation about the politics of methodology, and historiography, of subculture, Mimi Thi Nguyen and Golnar Nikpour interview each other about racial politics and scholarly approaches in riot grrrl and punk.